Friday, December 12, 2008

Response To YT Video About Gay Sibling Incest

Please Watch The Video First Before Reading.



So first to talk about peeing in the shower to get it out of the way. Well there isn't really that much of a problem with peeing in the shower as long as all the urine does go down the drain and there isn't like small pools of it places just waiting to smell good. Also it's a bit of a health issue. I wouldn't pee in my sink. It's just common sense. But I am sure that if you did it a few times, you won't die, it's just kinda icky, and please don't pee in my shower. Thanks. Personally I've only done this when the toilet was broken and I really needed to pee and just made a decision not to pee on the floor or over flowing toilet. Also I have mental blocks which doesn't allow me to pee, and suppress the urge to pee, in inappropriate places like the shower or on the bus or when I don't have access to an appropriate 'place' ie toilet, tree bush, privacy.

And as for sex in the shower? Yes that's kinda gross too if it's not your shower but if someone had sex in my shower at least they got something out of it and not just defiled it for nothing. Also the fluids involved in sex aren't usually waste matter and filled with bacteria. But then again people like peeing on each other and themselves or drinking it which is there prerogative. I guess if you are going to give someone a golden shower do it in the shower cause you can hose that down instead of just buying a new bed!


On to gay sibling incest. So I've often thought about whether or not gay sibling incest is wrong. My instincts at first said yes and then my logic maybe.

First of all heterosexual incest is taboo because of the retard babies that you can have. Although it's not as likely as when a parent and their child have a baby, cuz that baby will fo shiz be F'ed in the A. So this is why that taboo is present. Also we have instincts which tell us not to have sex with people we have grown up with because of all the genetic problems associated with it and also to search out mates who are different than ourselves to promote genetic diversity. But in different people this instinct, like all instincts, varies and more so sits on a spectrum. Such as the instinct to stay and live where you were born and raised and also the instinct to move away from your birth place and create new colonies else where.Often times 2 tribes would trade young girls as a way to bring in new blood into the tribe and increase their genetic diversity.

So back to gay incest. If both parties consent and are over 18 then there is really no reason why they can't get involved in a romantic and or sexual relationship. There will be no retard babies.

But there are things to consider as to why you shouldn't. It is very possible that this relationship will not work out and if the split is not amicable then familial relationships will be strained. People may take sides and the family will be divided. This is an issue because your family is probably the only people who will always (usually*) support you. And many people derive a great sense of stability from this be it emotionally and or financially.

Also with current social mores you will probably lose many friends who are not understanding of your choice to be with your sibling, but this could also be said about homo/bi/trans/pan/sexuals to a lesser extent. But if you are willing to take the risks involved then go right ahead.

You could also argue that these types of relationships are not healthy because of intra-familial hierarchy of the elder sibling over the younger sibling even if they are close in age. But you could also say that what relationship isn't subject to hierarchy? If you think about most of your relationships with people one person is somewhat more dominant. Many times in more conventional relationship one person is much more dominant over the other which can lead to emotional and physical trauma. But in my opinion these relationships are more likely to happen in incestuous relationships because of the hierarchy of the family and also because of the stigma of incest, the way I see it is that the stigma of these kinds of relationships are very large and one can feel traped into staying in this relationship because they may think that other people will reject them because of their past relationship with their sibling or that if one sibling tries to end the relationship that the other will use the social stigma to their advantage and threaten to 'out' them to their friends and future mates.

Now personally I am not able to have these feelings for relatives. But IF I had a friend who entered a relationship like this I'm not sure if I would remain their friend. Saying that, I probably wouldn't shun them off the bat either. I would honestly try to work passed it and continue to be their friend as I would with any other issue.

But what I find interesting is that sisters having sex is a common fantasy for some people (mostly straight men) whether it be in a three way where the sisters only touch the man or that that also touch each other. The only reason, I can see, why this would be erotic is that it's an ego boost. That some how you are so attractive/sexy that you sent these sisters into such a flurry of lust that they defy their instincts and I guess morals to have sex with you. But what isn't AS acceptable is having the brothers fantasy. I think this taps into the same reason why lesbian porn geared towards straight men is VERY widely accepted than gay male porn where the audience is heterosexual females, which taps into patriarchy in society, gender roles, societies view on female sexuality, and societies views on male sexuality.

And to add another layer on it is the different situation of identical twins. From my observations it seems that this is somehow more acceptable because of the issue of identity. Where people often blur the lines of identity between twins. And in essence they view twins as a sort of collective identity or a single identity shared between two bodies. I think people think of it like this, if masturbation isn't incest because my hand is apart of my body and it's myself doing this to myself then is it wrong when twins do it? They are just an embryo that split into two, my whole body is made up of the same original stem cell but it's just divided and now some of them are my hand and the others are my genitals. Even though the logic isn't sound it doesn't matter. People often use illogical logic into making them feel better about what they think or do.

Also I would like to note other subtle nuances and factors. One is age, if the siblings are small children say 6-8 I would think there would be less socially imposed repercussions because adults and society at large would just wave it saying that they are just small confused children. Also if one sibling is much older than they may or may not have authority over the younger one. also it is a matter of how old the younger sibling is too. If it's a 20 year old and a 5 year old that is clearly abuse, children are not capable of consent. But if it's a 30 year old and 40 year old whose to say? Also I would like to point out the different between a romantic relationship and a sexual relationship. An asexual romantic relationship I think would be more tolerated than a romantic/sexual or a purely sexual relationship but maybe not by much.

I am interested in what other peoples opinions are about these topics. Please feel free to pass this along to others and to leave a response in the comments.

1 comment:

Anonymous said...

Peeing in the shower: It's okay. I sometimes do it, because I'm too lazy to get out of the shower and go to the toilet. =/
But I wouldn't want OTHER people peeing or having sex in my shower. That's gross! D:

Sibling incest: Deep stuff... Personally, I think all consensual sex is okay, including even heterosexual incest, as long as there are no babies.

I would totally not abandon a friend if I found out they were having sex/in a relationship with their sibling. That would be REALLY MEAN! DX

But, to my understanding, don't a lot of young children "experiment" with their (close in age) siblings? Like, before they really know what they're doing...
Of course, that's totally different, but yeah...

And everything else you said is too deep for me to write about right now! O:
But very interesting stuff to think about...